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Naturally, there's reasonable arguments to be made that the story of Lancelot is apocryphal. The Arthurian mythos already being a tangle of adaptations, bastardizations, and colonization makes most of it difficult to pin down. Add to that the fact that Lancelot and Guinevere's story closely echoes that of the earlier Tristan and Iseult, which in turn was preceded by The Pursuit of Diarmuid and Grainne, and one can safely infer that perhaps the Knight of the Lake is nothing but derivative apocrypha.
[Wrong spinoff. With a click of his cane against the floor, Waver turned to where Vergil had indicated, looking over the blade with a calmly analytical stare. It was hard to call someone 'apocryphal' when they were swinging to take your head off, but scholarly debate was what it was.]
Which then follows that if a 'Lancelot' were summoned into the world, he would manifest entirely as only the perception of a legend from the collective unconsciousness of humanity--a very plausible outcome given the way magic functions in my world.
[Incredibly plausible; it was known that Servants were influenced by common belief and legend, but created entirely from them? That felt a step too far, even for the Throne of Heroes.]
On the other hand, complex though magecraft and the rules therein may be, Occam's Razor does apply once in a while. It's not a tremendous logical leap to believe that unfortunate circumstances simply repeat themselves and instead Lancelot, Tristan, and Diarmuid alike all truly existed. Perhaps their legends were embellished or exaggerated in places, but that hardly means they were wholesale creations.
...In which case, this hilt is too wide to match the Arondight of my world, and the blade itself is shaped differently. Which, of course, doesn't discredit that it was modeled after a real sword; only that the details and even existence of such legends might vary between realms.
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how well did that work out for you. ]
It is a common happenstance, for writers to copy each other and write the same stories with slightly different language, different characters. Twinge the setting a little, use a different villian, make one of the evils in the story a man instead of a boar...
[ he finds himself chuckling, darkly as he takes a step, or two
going around some of the displays to eye some of the works hanging from the walls, in their cases or held up by finely made hooks and chains. ]
Was it common? You mentioned 'mages' being able to summon beings from human consciousness. So am I to assume that you have seen some of these beings that, by history, should not have existed but due to the collective bias of human thought they exist anyway?
...Fascinating.
[ he eyes the arondight replica--again, not an item worth a fortune in his collection, but an interesting piece that he enjoyed owning all the same. Frowning a little as Waver claimed it was off to what it was likely supposed to be. ]
I will leave it up in the air that my replica is off, or merely there are differences between our worlds. If not, I fear we may stand here all day and argue semantics in the differences between our worlds. For all I know, Hrunting in your world was a bow and arrow, after all.
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[in this house we do not respect fionn mac cumhaill.]
...I may have crossed paths with one or two individuals most would call mythological. 'Heroic Spirits' is the term we use. But whether Lancelot du Lac or Diarmuid ua Duibhne existed in this reality or not, it's crystal clear that the legends themselves do; it then stands to reason that a magnificent weapon like this remains as an important mark upon human history and the stories told therein. I don't think something as small as physical discrepancies devalue that sentiment.
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...As someone who prefers literature over martial skill, I have to admit I'm quite amused at the idea.
[ fionn mac cumhiall doesn't deserve anyone's respect anyway. ]
Have you met them, then. Lancelot, Diarmuid.
I have to admit, even if they're no more than magical familiars created by the collective unconciousness of human belief, I am a little curious about how these people manifest.
How they think about their own tales, be them fantastical faerie tale or with a solid basis in true history.
It's likely good that I am no mage.
I would likely want to summon one, just to speak with them for an ungodly amount of time. [ haha. ]
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[Living in a society where reputation was everything, that was a lesson he had to learn quickly.]
...I can't say I met Lancelot or Arthur, we didn't exactly speak. But I've certainly seen them, and I counted Diarmuid a close friend for a time. It's no simple thing to summon the crystallization of human history, and can only be done under specific circumstances for a brief time. But I can certainly say that it's...enlightening.
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You could challenge a man to a duel and leave a scar that could last a while, but the pain fades.
Writing a prose that becomes popular leaves an open wound that never heals once it gains traction.
[ he gives a bit of an amused chuckle, shrugging his shoulders. ]
Alongside weapons and trinkets, I also have a large collection of old, hand-made books and journals filled with some of the most amusing letters and correspondences you might ever read. The style of writing these days have changed to a much simpler style, but people will forever be petty and snarky, regardless of how many centuries pass.
[ theres a bit to consider here now though as Waver admits he's seen king Arthur, Sir Lancelot. And its almost like it occours to him why the man expressed interest in the subject of Celtics. Knowing Diarmuid would explain it. ]
History has no idea what these people actually looked like. Their tales give vague descriptions, of course, but because the lines between what is real and apocryphal myth are blurred, paintings that exist of them are wildly different, while having similar simple details.
Was King Arthur truly blond?
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Blonde, and a young woman on top of that. Which certainly calls the idea of reality versus perception into question, and plants Arthur--Artoria, I suppose--firmly into the former. No common perception would ever have summoned the Once and Future King as a woman, after all. It was as much a shock to me as it no doubt is to you.
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Vergil's entire world come grinding to a stop as he quite literally abruptly turns to LOOK at waver with an expression like he'd just been told his perception of the colour green was wrong and that grass was actually, in fact, red ]
I would SAY it's a shock and surprise to me to hear that.
Rather, I find the fact rather unbelievable and I have to wonder now if you're actually having me on.
[ hes using contractions, youve thrown him off his metaphorical horse here ]
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That's about what I said, but I'm not going to argue who's the rightful king of England when the one in the dress is swinging Excalibur around. Rather makes the argument pointless if the sword's on her side.
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he knows arthurian legend is mostly great fantasy and impossible legend but in a world where it MIGHT ACTUALLY be true history how the fuck could Caliburn let a young woman in the middle it MEDIEVAL EUROPE take the crown of a king there is so much cruelty in that alone, men were fucking animals back in those days Vergil needs to sit the fuck down his brain isn't processing this right ]
And given that the sword bestowed by the Lady in the Lake only reveals its true power to a true king, meaning that if you truly saw a woman King Arthur carrying it with grace and ease....
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No, I.
I believe I couldn't argue with the proof of the sword being carried, wielded by aforementioned one true king, I.
Do not get me wrong, women make fine warriors and I could stand here and speak of the great exploits of women in power until the shop closes but King Arthur being King Artoria...
....
Oh, the stories that would flip on their heads if that was a commonly known fact. Dear lord.
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Oh, it's far from a matter as foolish as questioning strength over something so pointless as gender. [look at ths man does he appear to give a shit about binary presentation] But the fact that she manifested in a way that flies in the face of all known legend defies the idea of Heroic Spirits appearing as they were perceived; in other words, it's the perception that is wrong and Arthur did actually exist.
Which causes a whole avalanche of who and what is or is not grounded in reality. And leaves me sitting on historical fact that most people would look like I grew three heads over, but that's more just a small annoyance than anything.
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this was the hell waver had to live. Vergil was just one of many Waver had to stand there and try to convince he wasn't crazy.
For a moment, Vergil almost feels for him. ]
It makes the mind boggle to how the collective consciousness remembers--or, rather, has a silent agreement that King Arthur is a man and yet they manifest as a woman.
It feels like this place your crystallized heroes are manifested is fundamentally flawed.
[ he has no fucking idea. ]
Perhaps summoning a being from there isn't such a grand idea after all.
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I don't believe the Throne of Heroes is itself flawed. On the other hand, I have no clue how that one actually happened. Doesn't make a damn bit of sense to me, but it's not like I can argue with what I saw for myself. Worse still where the rest made some semblance of sense.
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...he's hesitant to doubt much of anything, anymore. ]
Like a messed up Mandela effect. Everything in the world seems right except one small detail that makes the rest of the world seem like something is deeply wrong with it.
[ and for the first time, Vergil chuckles. It's a low, two-note thing. But it's there. ]
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Then I thought about it later and realized it was extremely weird.
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What a pity, honestly.
I would have loved to know how different her life was from lore.
...How Mordred came to exist. IF Mordred was even able to exist.
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[you can hear the '????????????' in how he trailed off]
...Yeah, I can't begin to guess and don't think I want to know.
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Not usually my favorite thing as a historian, but this one time, I will default to it.
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Fair enough, certainly. I'm not about to question it further.
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While my interests are focused in physical items like in this shop, knowledge of things I did not have hitherto conversations like this are valuable, as well.
While some of the details are ... odd, I feel I have gained something, at least.
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Feel free to drop in any time.
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This store is more of a hobby than me actually making money from it. I am far more interested in customers who come to chat about like interests than those who come in to try to pawn off fakes to me or claim my wares are not worth their price. [ being rich has its perks, ]
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But for now...
[ maybe time to go return to his display of celtic trinkets and mostly-immaculate spearheads that haven't been mounted upon new wood... ]